Dr. Mark Hyman: How Functional Medicine Helps Us Take Back Our Energy, Focus & Lives

Dr. Mark Hyman: How Functional Medicine Helps Us Take Back Our Energy, Focus & Lives

Hey, it’s Marie Forleo and you are watching
MarieTV, the place to be to create a business and life you love. And one of the most important components to
be able to do that is your health. My guest today is a world renowned expert
and fierce advocate in the fight to transform our healthcare and he’s here to show us
how to take back control of our energy, our focus, and our lives. Dr. Mark Hyman believes that we all deserve
a life of vitality and that we have the potential to create it for ourselves. That’s why he’s dedicated to tackling
the root causes of chronic disease by harnessing the power of functional medicine to transform
healthcare. He’s a practicing family physician, a ten
time number one New York Times bestselling author, and an internationally recognized
leader, educator, and advocate in his field. He’s the director of the Cleveland Clinic
Center for Functional Medicine and also the founder and medical director of the Ultra
Wellness Center. Mark is the Chairman of the Board of the Institute
for Functional Medicine, a medical editor of the Huffington Post, and has been a regular
medical contributor on many television shows including CBS This Morning, The Today Show,
and CNN. Mark also plays a substantial role in the
phenomenal documentary released in 2014 called Fed Up, which addresses childhood obesity. Mark Hyman, thank you so much. We’re finally doing this. We are. We’ve wanted to do it forever. Great to be here. So let’s start off with your story because
I know 20 years ago you got quite sick and it had a profound impact on who you are and
your work. Can you tell us about that? Well, I think, you know, anybody who sort
of had a life changing experience, like, there’s always something that, like, shifts them that
changes their life. And I had that. I was vigorous, healthy, riding my bike 100
miles a day, could see 30 patients, remember everybody without any notes, and dictate everything
at the end of the day and get it all right. To the next day not being able to walk up
the stairs, not knowing where I was at the end of a sentence from where I started, and
having… I felt like I had depression, dementia, ADD
all at once. I couldn’t focus, I couldn’t remember anything,
I felt horrible, I couldn’t sleep, my muscles ached, my digestion completely went kaflooey,
my whole system broke down. I developed autoimmune issues, I developed
rashes, I had sores on my tongue. I literally went from being like a running
5 miles a day, yoga teacher before I was a doctor, to basically having this total body
breakdown. And it was through the process of sort of
uncovering that that I sort of found that there was a whole new way to think about health
and disease that was really about the root causes, about thinking of the body as a whole
system, not just a bunch of different organs. And I went to doctor after doctor after doctor,
there’s a doctor for every different part of your body. And instead of having a doctor for the whole
organism we have doctors for organs. So I needed to really look at that. And I found that I was able to actually understand
how the body worked as a whole system, not just the symptoms. And that’s when I discovered functional
medicine. And I realized it was a whole way of thinking
that was completely different than what I learned in medical school. They put all the pieces together, they connected
the dots that helped me figure out, you know, why I was sick and what was going on. And it turned out I had mercury poisoning
from living in China and I had picked up some bug in some lake in Maine and my gut kinda
went crazy. And those two things completely shifted my
whole biology and it got stuck and I couldn’t get unstuck. And it was through understanding how to create
health rather than treat disease that I was able to actually fix myself. So functional medicine is essentially the
science of creating health and it’s very powerful and it’s the future of healthcare. That’s why I’m at Cleveland Clinic now,
because the CEO of Cleveland Clinic, which is one of the number one health care centers
in the world, has said, “Oh, this is the future. We should be doing this and we’re gonna
invest in this,” and they’re investing big. I mean, we just… we’re building a 6 million
dollar brand new 18 thousand square foot center. We’ve got 2 thousand people on the waiting
list. We’re growing and growing. And I think we can’t grow fast enough because
people get it. People get that the way we are treating disease
doesn’t work. We can’t just be covering over symptoms
with medications. We have to understand the body is a biological
system and ecosystem. Yes. And that was really the sort of shift that
happened for me and it led to me having to literally unwind my own health, get healthy,
and then it’s really compelled me to do everything I’m doing. Because I realize, wait a minute, there’s
so many people who are suffering that don’t need to suffer. Like a friend of mine sent me an email of
this woman who’s been suffering, it was her neighbor, and she gave me a list of symptoms
and her whole story and I looked at it in 3 seconds and I knew what was going on. And it’s not because I’m a genius, it’s
because I know the right lens to look at the problem with. Yes. You know, it’s like once you understand
how to solve a problem, it’s not that hard. Right? Right. So, yeah. For Einstein to figure out E=MC squared, that
was a lot of figuring. But once you have it figured out, it’s easy. Right? So I think that’s… that’s the whole
beauty of functional medicine. It’s sort of like the, you know, what are
the laws of biology. Right? How is the human organism constructed? It’s like, how are we this amazing, magical
system and how does it actually work? Like, what are the laws of nature? And in medicine, we don’t really have any
theories. We just have a bunch of concepts of disease
based on organs and symptoms, not based on causes and mechanisms. Sort of like by geography, where is it, and
by symptom, what’s the symptom? Instead of like by the cause and underlying
mechanism. So functional medicine is that. It’s like medicine by cause, not by symptom. And it’s so powerful and I see, you know,
so many people who actually don’t get the solutions that they actually can get when…
when they don’t understand this model. It’s so frustrating and inspiring at the
same time. I mean, your work has impacted me personally,
I’ve gone through so many of your books, I’ve changed how I eat thanks to you and
thanks to some other friends, our mutual friend Kris Carr. Yeah. And it’s so exciting because I feel like
we have an opportunity to just transform not only healthcare but how people live on a day
to day basis and our longevity and how we feel and how we perform. I know there was another big pivotal shift
in your life that came from a trip to Haiti. Yeah. Tell us about that. So, you know, I spent almost 20 years studying
biological networks, like genetics, biochemistry, physiology, like how our molecules work. Right? And… and it was amazing. It’s like an amazing magical mystery tour. And I was treating people one on one and focused
on doing that and then Haiti happened. The earthquake in January 2010. And just before the earthquake happened I
was given a book by a friend of mine… I’m sorry, I was given a book by a patient
who was referred by a friend of mine who was a shaman. And he’s like you have to read this, and
I’m like ok. So I took a vacation, I was actually in Machu
Picchu and I read this book, it profoundly impacted me. It’s called Mountains Beyond Mountains about
Paul Farmer who went to Haiti after medical school and showed that you could cure TB and
AIDS in the poorest country in the world. I mean, in the western hemisphere. One of the poorest countries in the world. Not by better drugs or surgery, but by using
the power of each other. He called it accompaniment. The people accompany each other to health. So he got community health workers trained
who are their neighbors basically to help their friends, their family members, their
neighbors to get healthy by taking their medication on time, by getting clean water. Just basic stuff. And he talked about this idea of structural
violence. You know, what are the social, economic, and
political conditions that drive disease? That these are social problems, they’re
not medical problems so much. Right? And I began to sort of reflect and I… and
I began to… so then I began to reflect on this and I was like, well, I really want to
meet Paul Farmer. And then, of course, the earthquake happened
and a set of circumstances happened where I was like, well, I’m a doctor and I was
married to a doctor at the time who was a surgeon, orthopedic surgeon. And I’m like, well, we need to go. But we have no way to get there. So one of my patients who owns a jet texted
me and says, “Do you want to go to Haiti?” And I’m like yeah, actually, we were just
talking about that. So we got a whole team together and I got
ahold of Paul Farmer and I said, “Do you want to come with us?” because nobody could
get down there. So he jumped on the plane with us and I got
to know him and it all kind of unfolded. And we got there, it was the worst thing you
can imagine, Marie. I mean, it was the worst disaster I think
that you can… 300 thousand people dead. 300 thousand people injured. And they were just everywhere. And we got to the hospital and it’s just…
it was a disaster zone. And we got to work, rolled up our sleeves. And then I got to know Paul during that process
and I got to see what was going on and I asked the head of the hospital after the first week,
we were sitting down to eat some chicken. It was like this really skinny chickens in
Haiti, they don’t have these big hormone pumped chickens. And I said, “So before the earthquake, like,
what was the most common admitting diagnosis here?” And he was like… I thought he was gonna say TB or AIDS, malaria. He’s like it was heart disease, diabetes,
hypertension. I’m like wow. And I realized that, you know, chronic disease
is everywhere. And then it was that moment I had the insight
that chronic disease is also a social disease. They call it non-communicable disease, but
it’s actually communicable. And it then began to kind of occur to me that
the social drivers are not just affecting things like TB and AIDS, but obesity and heart
disease  and diabetes and cancer because of our food system, because of the environmental
toxins we have, because of the social disintegration and all the issues that drive bad behavior. I mean, you can’t find a grocery store in
your town that sells vegetables and there’s only bodegas on every corner that sell processed
food, well, how are you gonna eat healthy? So there’s really structural issues in our
food policies and our environmental systems, in our agricultural systems that are driving
so much disease. And I was like we have to deal with this. And then I began to look at research when
I got back, you know, about like Christakis from Harvard talked about how you’re more
likely to be overweight if your friends are overweight than if your family is overweight. Like you’re I think 170% more likely to
be overweight if your best friend is overweight, but only like 40% more if your parents are
overweight. Wow. So… and if your friend’s friend friend
who you don’t even know is overweight, you’re more likely to be overweight because of these
social connections that are mapped out. I mean, it makes sense because I know this
just anecdotally. Right? You go out with your friends, you go to a
party, one person orders something naughty, quote-unquote, and then all of a sudden it
is a chain reaction. Like the drinking takes over, this takes over,
and then it’s a couple of days and you’re in. Exactly. It happens to me all the time. I go out to dinner with people they’re like,
oh, we’re having dinner with Mark Hyman like… and then they like, dessert menu comes,
like nobody orders dessert. And I don’t care if people have dessert. They can have dessert. I don’t care. I’m not, like, the food police. But people have this internal process of like
the peer pressure. Yeah. So the peer pressure can work for bad or it
can work for good. So all this was happening and I began to think,
like, how do I do this? Ok, so you’ve got functional medicine. Right? You’re aware of that. You’re aware of all of these issues. And so what happens next that allows you to
then start to take these insights and deploy them? Yeah, so I was sort of chewing on all this
and stewing in it and realizing that, you know, we need to use our social threads and
connections, our social networks, to heal us by changing our behavior. And I was like this is the future of healthcare. And I’m like how am I gonna do this? I’m just a single doctor doing this. So I… I’m just Mark Hyman. Well… and I was sitting in my office one
day and Rick Warren walked into my office, who’s a pastor at Saddleback Church in southern
California and he wrote this book called The Purpose Driven Life, which… Mega. More books than anything except the Bible
nonfiction. Amazing. And he’s like I wanna get healthy. I’m like ok. So we did his checkup and I’m working with
him and I said why don’t we have dinner after? So he’s like ok. So we had dinner at this little restaurant
in town and I said tell me about your church because I don’t know much about what you do. So he said, “Well, I have 30 thousand people
in the church.” I’m like, wow, that’s a big church. He’s like, “Yeah, we have 5 thousand small
groups that meet every week.” And I’m like, wow, this is not a mega church,
it’s thousands of mini churches. And he said, “Yeah, we meet to help each
other live better lives.” I’m like ah. It was like a lightbulb moment. I was like why don’t we, Rick, take a healthy
living program and put it through the small groups in your church. He’s like, “Great idea. Because I was baptizing my church last week
and I realized, we’re a fat church. And I’m fat and we’ve gotta do something
about it.” Yeah. So we launched this thing, we thought a few
hundred people would show up. And we created a 6 week program called the
Daniel Plan after Daniel from the Bible who resisted the King’s temptation of rich food
and 15 thousand people signed up the first week. We had 15 thousand people show up. We had to turn 2 thousand people turn away. It was the biggest thing they’d ever had
at the church, more than the 9/11 service, Obama/McCain debates, it was like huge. And people were just hungry. And these people were eating Big Gulps and
having ice cream socials and pancake breakfasts. The men would have rib breakfasts to have
the men to the church. I mean, it was bad. And you know, it’s like I said, you guys
are trying to get your people to heaven early here with all this food. So I… we launch this program, we thought,
you know, we didn’t know what was gonna happen and people were into it. And they helped each other, they supported
each other, they held each other accountable, they shopped together, they exercised together,
they cooked together, they learned together. And it was a secret sauce. Like friend power not willpower, right? That is awesome. Friend power is so much more powerful than
willpower. And… Amen to that. Rick says everybody needs a buddy. Right? You know, and then I kind of in the process
of it I realized that getting healthy is a team sport. We can’t just do it on our own. And you try… you can if you’re super strong
willed and you want to do it, but it’s very hard. So in the first 10 months the congregation
lost 250 thousand pounds. People reversed all sorts of diseases. It was written up in Time magazine and, you
know, we ended up writing a book called The Daniel Plan. I wanted to call it The Jewish Doctor’s
Guide for Christian Wellness, but that didn’t work out. I love it. He’s like, “No, no, no, no. It’s the Daniel plan.” And then we ended up winning the Christian
book of the year award. That is awesome. Which is amazing. I’m the only Jew, I think, to ever win the
Christian book of the year award. There was that one other guy, I don’t know. You know. Well done. Well done. That’s incredible. So did that bolster you? Were you like this works. Yeah, so this is like… this is like, oh,
this is it. So I realized that to get healthy bodies we
need to use the power of functional medicine to optimize biological networks. And we use the power of social networks to
change behavior and the environment because so much of our health is environmentally determined. Yes. And the social networks, I mean, I read a
study where if you take people from a very low income neighborhood to a slightly better
neighborhood, just change the zip code, they lose weight. Their diabetes gets better. Without doing anything else. So that social context is the biggest driver. Now, in Cleveland we’re launching this in
about a dozen churches. We’re doing this in hundreds of churches
around the world and it’s become a model for how we do this. We need to do it in a secular basis, and that’s
some of the things we’re doing at Cleveland Clinic, which is so exciting. We’re working on changing healthcare because
the incentives are changing now. So instead of getting paid for peace work,
like in other words, the more colonoscopies or surgeries you do the more money you make,
now healthcare systems are getting paid for results, which is how healthy are your people
and if you can design a system to create health you will actually make more money, which is
not how it is now. Absolutely not how it is now. So we’re… so it’s like the perfect storm
of functional medicine, this insight around social networks, with Cleveland Clinic in
the changing healthcare face where everything is coming together and we’re innovating
in ways that no one’s ever imagined. So it’s pretty exciting. It’s super exciting stuff. And, you know, I get frustrated so often,
you know, even trying to deal with my own insurance and trying to get tests and cholesterol
and we’ve talked about that. And I am just so thankful for the work that
you’re doing. You know, one thing that you’ve shared is
you said that we need to reimagine food as information. What exactly does that mean? So, you know, we talked about functional medicine
and this concept of systems and biological networks and the biggest single input that
you have every day into your health, by far, is what you eat. And it’s not because food is just calories. Food is far more than calories, it’s information. It’s literally instructions that with every
bite changes your biology. So it alters your gene expression. 20 thousand, 30 thousand genes are all transformed
good or bad depending on what you eat. Can turn on the fat genes or skinny genes. You’re gonna turn on the healthy genes or
the disease genes. Right? It controls your immune system. Turns on inflammation, turns off inflammation
depending on what you eat. We eat trans fat it turns on inflammation,
if you eat omega 3 fats it turns off inflammation. Calorie for calorie is actually acting very
differently in your body. If you eat calories that are high in sugar
and starch you’re going to slow your metabolism. If you eat calories that are high in fat you’re
going to speed up your metabolism, independent of the calories. So I think it’s really important to understand
that food is not just calories, it’s information. And it affects your hormones like your insulin,
your thyroid, your blood sugar, your sex hormones, your adrenal hormones. All those things are regulated by what you’re
eating. And even your gut, we’re talking about the
microbiome as a whole sea of bacteria that live in your gut. There’s like 10 times as many bacterial
cells as your own cells, there’s 100 times as much bacterial DNA as your own DNA. We have about 20 thousand genes, about 2 million
bacterial genes and they’re all doing stuff. And you’re controlling that population with
literally every bite of food you take. It doesn’t change over time, it changes literally
minute by minute. So by transforming food, you can upgrade your
biological software literally within days. This is what I wanted to get into because
I feel like for so many people who are struggling right now with their health or they feel overweight
or they just don’t even feel healthy, they’re lethargic, they’re tired, they’re having
skin issues, they’re having an inability to focus and concentrate. You know what I call that? What. I call it FLC Syndrome. What does that mean? When you Feel Like Crap. Yes. And, I mean, I have been, you know, over the
past couple of years I’ve been paying more and more attention to being aware of how I
feel after… immediately after I eat certain things. And I’m Italian, so this kind of kills me,
but I realized that having a lot of dairy, like, it’s not good for Mama at all. And it’s just so exciting. But one of the things I love that you say
is that most people don’t realize how close they are to good health. I feel like… tell us about that. I know, I always say people don’t realize
how close they are to health and happiness. They don’t. And, I mean, so many of my patients said,
“God, doctor, I didn’t realize I was feeling so bad until I started feeling so good. And it didn’t take that long.” So, I mean, I’ve written a lot of books,
but one of the ones I wrote, they’re all based on functional medicine principles. They’re not, like, something I just invented
out of the air that I concocted to try to sell a book. They’re really to tell the story of how
to empower yourself with the tools you need to take back your health. Because a lot of the stuff I’m saying can
be done without a doctor. When we were at Saddleback Church there was
me and Dr. Ayman and, like, Dr. Oz helped a little bit, but basically it was a couple
of doctors to 15 thousand people. Yes. Right? And we didn’t treat each one individually,
but their migraines went away, their asthma went away, their irritable bowel went away,
they had improvement in their autoimmune conditions, their diabetes went away, they got off insulin. I mean, just all these things happen as a
result of having the right inputs, taking out the bad stuff, putting in the good stuff. And so, you know, when you understand how
the body works and you take out the bad stuff and you put in the good stuff, and most of
that stuff we have control over. It’s not something you need a doctor for. You can transform your health so fast and
that’s why I wrote the 10 day detox diet because it’s… in 10 days people can get
a hit of actually their baseline, of what their new baseline is. Yes. Now, if they have something serious like Lyme
disease or mercury poisoning or, I mean, I eat turkey and brown rice and, like, broccoli
for months and I never got better because I had mercury poisoning. Right? So there are things you need a doctor for,
but most of the people walking around suffering from things are related to leaky gut to inflammation
to food sensitivities to all sorts of sugar in the diet and processed foods and chemicals. And when you take all that out, the body just
wants to be healthy. Yeah. It’s powerful. We’ll talk more about 10 day detox because
I did that one at the end. But I want to go now to I loved you and everyone
in Fed Up. That documentary was so powerful. And I know that one of the biggest resistant
points that people have to changing how they eat is they feel like one of the things it’s
so expensive. So can you talk to us about that family that
you were able to work with in South Carolina? Well, Fed Up was an amazing movie on so many
levels because it really addressed the issue of sugar and sugar addiction. So I was an adviser in the movie and that’s
actually why I wrote the 10 day detox was to address this issue of the addictive power
of sugar and starch. And it’s not just like like an addictive
substance. It actually is biologically addictive, well
proven by science. It lights up the areas of the brain that cocaine
or heroin does and it’s serious. So in this movie we tried to highlight that
and we saw so many people struggling with losing weight because they were biologically
addicted to food. So it was like trying to sort of swim upstream
without actually knowing why you weren’t getting anywhere. Right? And one of the families was Brady and his
mom Tina and I went down and worked with them in South Carolina, in Easley, South Carolina. And, you know, I think I had a judgment that
I didn’t realize I had about why people didn’t change. I thought, well, they knew. Like, they just know what to do, they’re
just not doing it. Right? There may be social pressures, there may be…
but it’s not a knowledge problem. Like, people know that soda is not good for
you. Like, people know that, you know, Cool Whip
isn’t good for you. Right. People know that. And I realized that, you know, when I went
down there and talked to them I said, well… because, you know, the father was on dialysis
at 42, the son was, like, 16 and practically diabetic, the mother was well over 100 plus
pounds overweight and had all sorts of medical issues. They lived in a trailer, there was 5 of them,
they had disability and food stamps and, you know, they were struggling with their health. And I said, “Why do you want to change?”
and they all started crying. Because the father had to lose 40 pounds in
order to get a kidney transplant and he couldn’t do it and he didn’t know what to do. And they were desperate to do the right thing
and that’s why they were part of the movie and they were trying to figure it out. And Brady wanted to go to medical school and,
you know, they just wanted to figure it out. And so rather than, like, just tell them what
to do, I said why don’t we cook a meal together? So we went and got groceries, I went and got
groceries, and I got this little guide called Good Food on a Tight Budget, which is how
to eat food that’s good for you, good for the planet, and good for your wallet, which
is from the Environmental Working Group where I’m on the board. And I… and I said why don’t we just cook
together. Like, let’s just make it fun. And when we got in there I realized let’s
look in your kitchen first and see what’s there. They had no food. Like, they had food-like substances. You know, there were pop tarts and there was
Cool Whip and there was, you know, low fat salad dressing and there was… I mean, you know, if you covered the front
of the box and you looked at the ingredient list, you couldn’t tell what it was. Like there were 47 different ingredients and
everything had the same ingredients: flour, sugar, high fructose corn syrup, all kinds
of weird corn byproducts like maltodextrin, trans fats, I mean, msg. These are, like, the staples of processed
foods and they all cause addiction, they cause brain dysfunction, they cause fatigue, they
cause cravings. I mean, they are designed to do that. The food industry designs these foods on purpose
to do that. Michael Moss wrote about it in his book Salt,
Sugar, and Fat, it’s very powerful. And so I said you know that Cool Whip is mostly
trans fat. And they’re like no, because it says zero
trans fat on the nutrition facts label. And I’m like, yeah, that’s right. Because the FDA is in cahoots with the food
industry and the food industry got them to say it as less than half a gram per serving,
they can say zero on the label. So it’s all… it’s basically all trans
fat and high fructose corn syrup and water. And we went over everything and they were
just sort of shocked. And I said, well, let’s cook a meal. And they didn’t have a cutting board, they
didn’t have knives. We’re trying to, like, cut sweet potatoes
to roast them and we had to use, like, a butter knife on a plate. I mean, they had never stir fried a vegetable. They’d never eaten vegetables except for
canned string beans and, you know, they had iceberg lettuce with store bought salad dressing
that was mostly sugar and soy bean oil, which is very inflammatory. And I said it’s so simple. Here’s how you cut up vegetables. Here’s how you stir fry. Here’s how you make turkey chili, we made
a salad, we made olive oil and vinegar dressing, salt, pepper, nothing fancy, cheap. Really from this guide. And they were like this is so good. And they, like, loved it. And then Brady, the son, was like, “Can
you… do you eat like this with your family every
night?” And I’m like yeah, every night. And it’s fun, you do it together, it’s
delicious, it’s enjoyable. And, you know, they lived on a thousand dollars
a month for food for all of them with food stamps and that was it, and disability. And they would go out to eat at Denny’s
and all these places a lot of times and eat this horrible food. And they were able to do this on food stamps
and disability because they were… realized that what the food industry was telling us
was wrong. It’s not inconvenient, it’s actually probably
more easy and convenient to cook stuff yourself. It doesn’t take that long. It’s not more expensive, you can do it for
less. Yeah, you don’t have to have like 70 dollar
grass fed prime rib, you know, but you can get, you know, cheaper cuts of meats, cheaper
vegetables, cheaper fruits. You can do it. It’s possible, eating real food. And, you know, this whole idea that it’s
just inconvenient, expensive, and difficult is the food industry’s way of sort of hijacking
the kitchen. So the food industry has essentially hijacked
the American kitchen and there’s all these subtle messages. You deserve a break today, you know, leave
the cooking to us. Right? It’s like this whole… Dark side of marketing and advertising. You know, the amount of money spent on eating
out is far exceeding that from grocery stores. So it was a powerful insight for me to realize
that, you know, people can do it and people didn’t have the information, it’s not difficult,
that they were able to once they knew some basic instructions. I mean, Americans spend more time cooking…
watching cooking on television than actually cooking. Right? I mean, we… we don’t… we sort of made
cooking a bad thing. Right? But it actually is what we need to do to retake
back our kitchens. I think for anyone watching, if you have not
seen Fed Up the movie you have got, got, got, got to see it. It’s incredible. Mark, before I let you go, you’re a 10 times
New York Times bestselling author. So for anyone who’s like, “Oh my goodness,
I’m excited,” they want to get started, which of your books would you suggest if they’re
interested to get started with? Depends on what’s going on with you. There’s two that I think are powerful that
sort of lay out the framework of functional medicine and there’s one that’s sort of
like a quick start. So the 10 day detox if you just don’t want
to get all the sciencey stuff. That’s what I did. And you just want to, like, have a plan, if
you follow it you’ll see what happens. I mean, it’s 10 days. Right? People can do anything for 10 days. If it doesn’t work, you know, you spent your
time doing something that didn’t work. If it did work, it’ll change your life. Yes. So that’s a good place to start. If people really want to get into the science
of functional medicine, the two books I recommend are the Ultramind Solution, which is about
how our body affects our brain. So you can meditate all you want, but if you’re
mercury poisoned, your brain is not going to be working properly. Right? If your thyroid is not working or your gut
flora is off. So it talks about how the body is connected
to the brain. It’s really a download around functional
medicine. And things like depression, ADD, dementia,
all those mood, focus, and cognitive disorders are profoundly affected by what’s going
on in our body. Because our brain’s just not a stick there
on top of our head. And then The Blood Sugar Solution is really
about this phenomenon of insulin resistance, pre diabetes, which affects one out of every
two people. Like, why are we overweight in this country? There’s a reason for it and it has to do
with this phenomenon we call insulin resistance, which is like pre diabetes where when you
eat sugar or starch it raises insulin, that’s a fat fertilizer. Stores belly fat, makes you hungry, slows
your metabolism. So it’s how do we deal with that and how
do we deal with all the drivers of that? So those two books I think are good. Awesome. Mark, thank you so much. Congratulations on everything that you’re
doing. You’re honestly one of my heroes and I’m
so honored to have you on the show. Thank you, Marie. Thank you for having me. Now Mark and I would love to hear from you. What’s the single biggest insight that you’re
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  1. Excellent. So true. We keep trying to solve medical symptoms, never causes. That's like using a bucket to collect water from a dripping roof, when we know why the roof is leaking. I appreciate that people with healthy lifestyles get illnesses too and I'm all for prescribed medicine for certain illnesses. However, we have slept walked in to a toxic convenience food nightmare, which is causing illness and then medicine prescribes drugs, often with loads of side effects to cover up the bad lifestyle choices. I unintentionally went on a 'detox' with a friend as we were budgeting- lentils, vegetable soup, veg stir fries etc. He went for his regular cholesterol check with his doctor and the change was so great in lowering the bad cholesterol levels, the doctor thought the test results were wrong. So saving money and getting healthy and no need for the cholesterol lowering drugs either! The mind and body connection to health is also so important.

  2. My takeaway is the profound effect that Dr. Hyman had on the family he worked with. The story of the boy asking if that was how he ate "everyday with his family", broke my heart. Americans are so poorly educated/informed about food/health, and we are failing so many innocent children. Thank you for this presentation Marie! 💕

  3. Biggest takeaways: food is information for your body, and most people are much closer to health and happiness than they realize.

  4. the social aspect was the biggest take away for me. yesterday I was listening to @BrantHansen talking about the effect of peer pressure on truth it hurts our health as well.

  5. I love this! It took awhile for western medicine to catch up with understanding the body. But better late then never. I'm glad we are entering into a new era! Thanks for sharing this with us Marie!

  6. I also got sick for not eating well, to be more specific for not eating the right foods and not cooking at home which since Sept 2016 I started this new path of designing my life and my eating habits and meal planning is part of new life habits.

  7. Dr. Hyman is my favorite Dr. So glad that you had him on your show Marie. His sugar cleanse changed by life. I never felt better. Highly recommend it.

  8. I absolutely love this interview and one of my favorite guests so far on your show. so many of the statements he said resonates so much with me and I firmly believe when he said, " food is more than calories, it's literally instructions, that with every bite, changes your biology"

  9. This is great! I'm a huge fan of Mark Hyman's work, he has a great perspective on health and how to approach illness. So happy he is on your show!

  10. I enjoyed this episode about the foods we eat. I think we need to be careful choosing our foods. I eat organic fruits and vegetables to avoid these good foods getting contaminated with chemicals that are destroying our bodies.

  11. Love this video so much! I started learning about nutrition in depth a couple years ago and Fed UP was such an eye opening movie. I really wish more people knew how bad processed food is. Growing up, the only person who tried to teach me "real nutrition" was an 8th grade science teacher who secretly taught us that the typical food pyramid is not correct.

  12. This is my favorite episode I have ever watched. So floored to hear the story behind all of this and witness the two of you talk about how you have influenced global change and a shift the medical world and culture. Amazing.

  13. Great interview and info. i was wondering why Dr. Hyman allowed meat in the Daniel Plan because the real Daniel from the Bible did not eat meat. People in church have no business eating meat. talk about gluttony starts in the church itself disgusting the food they serve at events. I'm grateful God made me a vegan 4 years ago. living bodies require living fruits and veggies 🍊🍇🍉🍌🍍🍓🍎🍒🌱

  14. its important to provide the body with the right type of food so it can help it sustain energy during these demamding schedules and multiple jobs we go through daily.the best you can do for your body is to keep it healthy.

  15. I've been waiting for this topic to be on Marietv! Very interesting and something that is most important to us all. The best insight was that we must think about the body as a whole system, not just a bunch of different organs. I really hope our society will change and let go of what the system dictates us how to think about food.

  16. Thank you so much for another fabulous interview Marie, and such valuable info. I've done the Kris Carr 30 day cleanse recently and feel amazing! I've been studying food for about 5 years now, as my dad passed from Cancer. I knew food played a huge part but we just couldn't get him "there." I hope others will learn and not have to suffer. I loved Mark's quote "People don't realize how close they are to health and happiness!"

  17. I love how he said to the family "let's cook!" There is something so magical when u take the time to cook something that comes from the heart. The secret to eating healthy starts with cooking. I don't get that fullfilling feeling from a big Mac meal. This has inspired me more than anything to simply cook and share that knowledge with others. Instead of preaching to others you should be eating veggies, you should be running. I want to instead say "come on lets cook !"

  18. This was excellent. I have autoimmune issues and have had to fight every step of the way for proper medical care. I believe I am actually sicker than I otherwise would have been because of years of trusting doctors. Now I work with a functional medicine practitioner, cook my own food, and am continuing to learn about the mind/body connection. I wish more people felt empowered to take control of their health.

  19. I am a big fan of The Daniel Plan and love the connection with the Bible an the story of Daniel- so inspiring! I'm going to have to watch the video. The concept of using social networking to change behavior is awesome. Thanks, Marie!

  20. This is hands down one of the best interviews I have seen on health in a long time! Everything is spot on. This is one of those interviews that if you're into health, staying fit physically and mentally…you feel juiced and ready to teach the world! Thank you Marie and Dr. Hyman! I hope everyone tweets, facebooks, and emails to everyone to watch

  21. Amazing! Thank you so much. Mark IS a hero! He has accomplished SO many wonderful things that have helped so many. How inspirational!

    What did I take away? That I want to learn more about what and how we eat impacts our entire being and when we are ill to look at it as a whole. So interesting. Lots of books mentioned throughout the interview which I need to read!

  22. Great interview, Marie! Thank you. Just bought Dr. Mark Hyman book on the 10-day diet. Can't wait to read it and take action.

  23. I watched "Fed Up" a while back. I have already been practicing and using Functional Medicine in my life for some time. I am a naturalist and I heal my body with natural foods, herds, spices, & knowledge. I am a Restaurant Owner/Chef and I have been teaching my employees, customers, friends, and family about how You Are LITERALLY What You Eat. We need to educate ourselves which is our greatest defense and search out the answers ourselves, not waiting for them to be handed to us. And we need to ban together and use our voices to make changes in Congress & policies to make our food system a safer place for all. I really love the work you are doing. I am going to continue to learn & teach all around me how food was meant be, in hopes for a better future.

  24. I love Mark Hyman. He is a mentor to me and many doctors who went through training at The Institute for Functional Medicine. I am an Integrative and Functional medicine too and I have a brand new channel here on youtube called Functional Medicine TV. So check it out and subscribe!! Thanks!

  25. Thank you for interviewing Dr. Hyman Marie! Way to go on your success <3 You always have valuable and life changing information!
    I have a question: How did Dr. Hyman treat/recover from his mercury poisoning?

  26. Two of my favorite humans on the planet! What a delight it was to be in the studio when this magic was created. Thank you for making the world healthier and happier.

  27. As someone with two autoimmune diseases (Hashimoto's and Sjorgren's), my ears perk up anytime I hear someone addressing chronic disease. I've been following Dr. Hyman and his advice for years. Thank you for interviewing him, Marie!

  28. Dr. Hyman's "diet" would be a great step for people who are eating a bunch of processed food, fast food, soda, candy, fake food crap.  But by still eating animal products, over time, it will still be harming your body and you'll have health problems later in life.  (http://nutritionfacts.org/video/food-as-medicine Food as Medicine: Preventing & Treating the Most Dreaded Diseases with Diet, Dr. Greger has scoured the world's scholarly literature on clinical nutrition and developed this new presentation based on the latest in cutting edge research exploring the role diet may play in preventing, arresting, and even reversing some of our most feared causes of death and disability.)

  29. I love this interview Marie, thanks. It's expanded my thinking regarding health, food and networks. I feel I want to read those books, nothing to lose. Hugs from Australia

  30. I know my biggest obstacle when it comes to eating healthy is time, not money. I'm aware that grocery shopping costs less than fast food but I'm a single dad who runs a business and cooking isn't on my list of things that can be done in a reasonable day. Do any of Mark's books talk about quick-fix recipes that are 15mins or less? I do enjoy cooking when I can but this is maybe twice a month, not every day as it should be.

  31. 11:38 LOL Marie…

    "Friend power is so much more powerful then willpower" – great quote…

    Pretty disappointed you didn't talk about your 10 day detox experience!
    I really wanted to hear about it….

    Excellent interview!! Thank you 🙂

  32. one of my current plans for 2017 is to live a healthy and a happy life irrespective of the global economy crises-thank you very much for hosting Dr Mark Hyman.

  33. Wow! You discovered allopathic medicine is largely a scam! Integrative & holistic Doctors take note: the structural violence will be disseminated from Cleveland Clinic going forward you will be called 'functional medicine'. Where were you the last 50 years as pharmaceutical companies took control of medicine?

  34. I love that instead of telling that family what to do and giving them jargon on health he cooked a meal with them. 🙂

  35. Great interview, though I was disappointed that there was no mention of how a health coach would be a great fit in supporting those people who don't know where to start or cook healthy meals on both a time and financial budget

  36. Which is the book he is referring to "Eat healthy on a tight budget" ? I googled it and I didnt find any such book except some random webpages of generalities and common sense.

  37. What an incredibly important topic. Thank you for sharing this information and Dr. Hyman with all of us, Marie! ~Erin xo

  38. This is information that I need! I'm so grateful you two got together for this video. Thank you for introducing him us Marie. I will be getting his books.

  39. Love this! Thank you! Great reminders and great information on whats really happening in the food industry and what we NEED to do about it! Detox and only put healthy food in your body, even if it means not eating out (sad)! i still struggle with decisions because of time, work, or influence but prepping ahead is critical in making choices easier! how can we find out what the food industry is doing, like the doctor said thhey can call it 0% even though there are bad ingredients and also how can they do that? im just thrilled that we, as a whole, are recognizing the diseases, intolerances and desparate need for change!!

  40. I started detoxing my body and changing my eating habits years ago and it totally changed my life. Thanks for your message, it does work if you work it.

  41. Dear Marie, this video has made a great impact on me, and I'm sure I'll come back to it several times to think over the topics you picked up once again. I've been struggling to lose my extra kilos for quite a long time. I don't overweight that much, but still my figure never looked ideal to me and I had very low self-esteem , especially as a child. Only recently I became more conscious of the reasons why I couldn't put off weight, and this video was REALLY WHAT I NEEDED. My goal was actually to impress others by getting slimmer, but now I understand that it's MY MENTAL AND PHYSICAL HEALTH what's IMPORTANT. Thank you again for inspiration !

  42. Dr. Hyman makes some good points and his heart is probably in the right place, but after looking at his website and seeing his high-fat diet recommendation, I'm a little disappointed. Also, he is an environmentalist but his recipes suggest shrimp and chicken… there is such a huge body of evidence now demonstrating how these foods are unsustainable and damaging to the planet and to human health. I am yet to come across a Marie Forleo video I didn't finish watching, but I admit I had to turn this one off 3/4 of the way though. Still, it's a step in the right direction.

  43. We all seem to be in such a HURRY…… especially as parents, we grab quick food….and not always the healthiest!

  44. Why does Dr. Pam Popper say to eat low fat if the latest research says the opposite ? Just happened to watch her and she says to cut the oils and fat, olive oil isn't good for you…….I make salad dressing with Olive oil & MCT oil, eat avocados etc. so am curious why she's slamming this type of eating.

  45. Marie, as I am sitting here watching this fantastic interview, I was sitting eating two hot dogs. I just sat and stared at what I just ate and wanted to projectile vomit it all up. Mind you I am 4 months pregnancy so with the need to vomit came this sense of guilt for what I just gave to my baby. Thank you for this small clip into Dr. Mark Myman's work now I will research him to better my life and my unborns sons nutrition before he is even introduced to this crazy world. People like are you what gives others great connection and tools they need to change their lives.
    Thank you again, Marie, for another like inspiring hour! I love you and your work so much!

    Love, Cassandra Galan

  46. I'm going to throw away all my 'fat free' yoghurts which are loaded with sugar and sweeteners … can't believe I'm poisoning myself when I don't even like the taste!! Thank you so much for this information xxx

  47. Hi Marie…I would love to talk to you…it's like you are my twin…not in our looks but in our personalities…i'm a business woman and I love hip hop and dance and I am also a Naturopath and I am aiming to become a consultant and life coach. I would love to get some mentorship from you and I would be glad to come to NYC and meet up with you…hope to hear from you!!!!

  48. Anyone else just get that gut feeling you wanna stop watching whenever Dr Oz shows up anywhere? Who would willingly put that snake oil sales man in their sizzle reel!

  49. This is such powerful information. Thanks for having Dr. Hyman on, Marie!

    If you're looking for a functional medicine doctor near you, here's some tips-

  50. Dr. Hyman is 100% right. Thanks for making this video! Well I have also found an amazing videos related to "Functional Medicine" on #VeronicaAnderson YouTube channel. All the videos are very helpful. Please take a look and subscribe the channel for more informative videos!!

  51. "Eat real food. Not too much. Mostly plants."- wise words from Michael Pollan. Start with that idea. Instead of looking at nutrition labels, look at ingredients. Better yet, instead of buying 'foods', buy ingredients that have not been transformed by adding other ingredients to it. Real veggies and fruit. Meat, eggs and fresh fish if you eat animal proteins. Nuts. A few grains perhaps. Then combine those ingredients yourself in your own kitchen in endless ways to make delicious, healthy meals. Have you heard of the capsule wardrobe? Why not create a capsule pantry and refrigerator with healthy basics and a few 'fun' add ons to add variety and a little decadence like a little dark chocolate and maybe some red wine if that's your thing. It doesn't have to be complicated or expensive. Start slowly, do it consistently and feel good about it 😀 But consistency is key 🔑

  52. So good to see Dr Hyman here!I have been doing the Daniel Plan here in Singapore and I feel so glad somebody finally did a well-round, ohysical, social, spiritual health guide! kudos to you Marie, love love love your show!
    xoxo from Singapore

  53. I just opened a can of anchovies in olive oil, put some cilantro on them an put them on crackers and ate them. They were pretty mushy. I knew they would be salty from the only experience I have with them and knowing that people used to order their pizza without them. Evidently the pizza places don't even put them on pizzas anymore. I really didn't know how to eat them so I did the best I knew how. I'm not a very picky eater and lots of times eat things because they are good for me. Can you tell me how I'm supposed to use them?

  54. The cost of fresh food in Hawai'i is horrendous and frozen isn't that much better. I would love it if Dr. Hyman helped us to figure this out especially with my spouse and daughter being very picky. I also have diabetes and usually end up cooking separately if I want to eat something healthy. With only one breadwinner, our budget for cooking is very small.

  55. I just listened to this podcast today and was so inspired. First, thank you Marie for amplifying many messages this world desperately needs. I listen and watch your podcasts all of the time – your content is part of my prescription for self care. Dr. Hyman, thank you for being a warrior for health. Everything he said today is why I strive to work and give my mind and heart to the health and care of our communities. I will be sharing this across all of my networks. Thank you!

  56. I love your interviews, Marie! I've listened to other interviews with Dr. Hyman, but this one was really interesting. I learned so many things about his work and his approach. I'm going straight to amazon to get his books. Thanks for the info, both of you!

  57. I think bashing modern medicine to support pseudo-science is dangerous. Medical science doesn't have all the answers, for sure. U. S. health care system is flawed, for sure. But to say that "functional medicine" can get to the "root cause" of all these illnesses is inflated righteousness.

  58. Thank you for your beautiful heart and I felt so happy to see how easy it was for you to help those people and that you see the programming behind the food industry.

  59. Marie and Dr. Hyman I can't thank you enough for this information. I will most certainly, as common practice share this with my clients as I often do.

  60. I'll help you summarize everything. Eat everything that grows from dirt. If you have to eat meat. Eat organic and only one serving a day.

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