He Doesn’t Track PROTEIN?! | Vegan Pro Bodybuilder Torre Washington

He Doesn’t Track PROTEIN?! | Vegan Pro Bodybuilder Torre Washington


It’s safe to say that most bodybuilders
have concerns about protein. And with the apparent protein
crisis we vegans find ourselves in at least according to the concerns of
every non-vegan we encounter, you’d think a vegan bodybuilder
would be extra vigilant. Well my guest today is a pro
vegan bodybuilder who’s been vegetarian since birth, has one of
the most astounding physiques, and has accomplished all of
this without even tracking his protein. Almost makes you think the whole
protein thing is really a non-issue. Hi it’s Emily from Bite Size Vegan
and welcome to another vegan nugget. Torre Washington is not your average
bodybuilder, or even your average vegan bodybuilder. Raised vegetarian
and vegan since 1998, he’s made his gains exclusively on plants. Let’s see
how that’s working for him. (dub step music) I think he’s good. If you want to hear about
Torre’s journey to being a pro vegan bodybuilder check out
my first interview with him here. While I had the pleasure of
speaking with Torre, I had to of course ask the question
most vegans, and particularly competitive physique athlete vegans,
receive quite often: what do you eat? With such a precisely tuned physique,
you may be surprised by Torre’s more intuitive approach to nutrition. Emily: Well Torre I want to thank you
so much for taking time out of your schedule to be here and to share
some of your experience with everyone. Torre: I am, I think I’ve told you before,
it’s an understatement to say I’m honored because I’m so, when I get
people that want to do interviews. It’s like a nod, like wow. You know,
I’m doing what I love to do and to be recognized for it, so I’m very thankful
to you Emily, I really appreciate it. Emily: Could you kind of share in a, however
you’d like, you could do it in a general way, like what, what you eat in a day, and
you can either speak to whether that shifts around competition or not just to kind of
give people an idea? Torre: You know it’s, the interesting part
about that when I started out, it was more rigid. You know, you could only eat this,
you had to eat this many times, you had to break it down to every certain amount
of hours. As I progressed in my journey and understanding of how my body works,
how the human body works–we are all unique and there’s no one method
that fits everyone. So, my eating types of foods doesn’t really change. So, for example if I have–my mornings can
be unique–some may, some mornings it’ll be, because I’m not your average individual.
But it comes to people that say “that’s not for breakfast!” It’s breakfast for
me. It doesn’t have to be pancakes or waffles or scrambled tofu. It can be, for me it could
be a burger, a black bean burger, or a shake or, I don’t know, it could be beans and
salsa, you know. Tostitos chips and salsa. So, for me , like let’s just give you an
average: so sometimes I’ll have, let’s say I’ll have fruit in the morning with,
I definitely I always get up and have water, I always, I always every morning I drink sixteen
ounces if not more. I love oatmeal because in Jamaica we ate a lot of porridge, porridge
is very similar but it’s usually made with cornmeal or they make it with banana, banana
meal what have you. So I love oatmeal. So I usually have oatmeal. Sometimes I put peanut
butter in there, raisins, cacao, agave, you know, and I’ll put in there raisins or I’ll
put apples or I’ll put fruit in there. That’s the one of my staples I love to have. So I
love oatmeal so it’s not like, and I’m a person that I can eat almost the same thing
every day. But I don’t mind switching it up. So that’s breakfast plus fruit. Sometimes
I’ll have Ezekiel toast with it, sometimes I’ll have a bowl of salad with it, or asparagus
with it, then my other meal may consist of either seitan or tofu or tempeh or beans with
Japanese sweet potato. That’s my one of my favorite things, favorite potatoes.
Regular white potato, or you hear of asparagus a lot and I love asparagus, so I use asparagus,
all the greens, I love spinach, I love kale, I love romaine lettuce, leaf lettuce. There is really nothing Vegan that I don’t
eat and as long as I know how to prepare it, I’ll have it. You know and now I’m learning
how to massage kale and make great salads because I didn’t know that you had to massage
it and get it to that state it needs to be to have it more of a raw state. Because I
may blanche it or cook it a little bit, just for to get some of the added flavor to it.
And then my other meals are basically similar. I throw in doughnuts, I throw in cupcakes,
I throw in vegan cookies I throw in all that stuff because I don’t think, I’m not,
I don’t think on restriction any more. I focus more on enjoying a variety of foods
to get the different nutritional value from these different foods because sometimes you’re
not getting everything. So you need to mix it up in order to get everything.
That’s what I do now. So even, I drink about a gallon and a half
on a daily basis of water. So as I get closer to a show the only changes I make, Emily,
are I cut back on sweets because they’re more empty calories. Lot of time they don’t carry
enough nutrition I want to have. I want to give my body more nutrition at that time.
I still may have them, because I’m cutting back on calories. I look for certain areas
where it’s better to cut the calories and then it starts there, also I just found out,
two days ago, that processed sugar affects my face, like I’ll break out and so, not
like fruit or agave or something like that but more, when you get your refined white
sugars and white flours. Although I love them, my sweet tooth is huge.
I’m starting to realize what it does to my skin and so I’m cutting back a little bit.
I’m not cutting it all out because I still eat it now and then so, closer to a show I
increase my water, which most people tend to say they cut it out, I increase it. I increase
my intake of vegetables, even more. You know the raw green vegetables I increase them more.
And then I don’t increase protein no that’s not something I do, I’ve never, I’ve never
tracked protein, I’ve never tracked carbs, I’ve never tracked fat I just ate. And I can
look at my physique and kind of gage, ok how much I need to eat, how much of this I need
to eat and I can watch it cause I watch it all the time, so it’s not something that
I track often at all really. I think I may have tracked it once I don’t even remember
what it was just to kind of get an idea because I had, I’ve gotten that question so much
“hey man, how much protein you get in a day?” I don’t know, you know, so, I said
to myself well maybe I should track it and just see, I don’t even remember
what the number was but. So that’s all I do, I really just cut back
on calories and I may increase, I increase activity more so. Meaning, currently I don’t
do any cardio, for real, I may just do ten minute warm up and then work out. If I want
to get a little tighter for a show, I may add in high intensity training interval session.
Basically, I do a HIIT where I’ll do sprints. I usually do sprints on Sunday or one day
of the week. If I’m getting ready for a show I need to get a little tighter I may add in
another. Just do that and I may up my cardio two minutes, meaning, instead of an eight
to ten minute workout a eight to ten minute warm up it may be ten to twelve minute warm
up. Just a little bit, depending on how far I started out. So if I don’t make much drastic
changes because I don’t go that far away. And I don’t even do protein shakes. And
protein shakes, I have not done them consistently at all it’s more like here, there I’ll take
them I’m not that wake up in the morning, “I gotta get my protein shake or after this
workout I’ve got to get my protein shake” that’s not me. I get up, “I gotta eat”
after my workout “well I gotta eat, what we going to eat, where we goin?” you know,
that’s what, that’s what I’m thinking about, I’m not thinking about gotta get
this down, no I’m not thinking about that I’m thinking about where is that next meal
coming from let’s go. Emily: Well again I just want
to thank you so much for your time. and, and for just the, the example that
you set for others to kind of find this way of life. So thank you very much. Torre: No. Thank you I really
appreciate it. It is my pleasure to be able to share a little
bit about Torre. I hope you enjoyed hearing Torre’s approach
to his nutrition. I think there’s something to be said for the body knowing best over
scales, meticulous macro calculations and sports nutrition theories. I’d love to hear
your thoughts about Torre’s more laid-back approach. How do you handle your nutrition?
Are you similarly intuitive or a compulsive tracker? Let me know in the comments! Be sure to check out the links to Torre’s
website and social media in the video description below so you can get connected
and keep up with his work. If you enjoyed this nutritionally sound nugget,
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there or the link in the sidebar. Now go live vegan, settle down about
your protein, and I’ll see you soon. Oh man, what’s wrong with me?
I just feel so weak today. Ah, there it is. I’m 0.01g below my
protein requirement. Pfff, No wonder! What would I do without you?!(kiss)Subtitles by the Amara.org community

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  1. The feeling is mutual to all of you sharing love. Emily it was am honor to be featured and thank you very much, I am grateful.

  2. I'm all about intuition now. Tracking nutritional data was so stressful for my body that I gave up on it 馃槢 It doesn't even make sense, the quality and the nutritional value of one type of fruit for instance, may differ according to the land where it grew, the chemical treatements it had or the amount of sunlight it was exposed to. So, in my opinion, counting calories or the amount of nutrients is a waste of time 'cause they don't reflect the real content of the food you eat. Intuitive eating also helps to be in touch with the body, get to know it better and build a stronger connexion with it by "knowing" exactly its specific needs. Great interview by the way!

  3. great video!馃挭
    as a personal trainer i am constaly faced with the protein issue thought i am able to get over that quite easily the next issue is – "vegans eat alot of carbs and carbs are fattening!"
    help me on this one please!

  4. Love this video!! Great information and content!! Torre is a machine!! Also, you are a great interviewer! No interruptions or comments until Torre has finished speaking! Thank you!!

  5. yeah vegan bodybuilder checking in i eat like this too… i get more than enough protein and so does he but still i get over 150g training days or 120 non training days (vegan protein shake) he never tracks yeah whatever great but hes eating oatmeal pb for breakfast tofu for lunch and beans for dinner thats a ton of protein. if i didnt eat high protein vegan foods my recovery would be dog shit and you cant get as big. fuck vegan magic this bodybuilding is down to a science no reason to ignore the facts

  6. Torre's a wonderful human being. And a great example of healthy vegan living. Great video. Now go get that protein before you fall off you chair, lol. You're so funny. I love it.

  7. Thanks for another great video Emily! I definitely include my intuition into my eating regime, that along with knew knowledge/education, as I love learning more and incorporating it to blend with my intuition approach (the education helps, when your "intuition" is at times sabotaged with old habits/cravings…)!

  8. U are very nice!my english is not good BUT u have got many subscribers and u sharing and helping planet you are amazing do u know how much animals do u save a day? i think u save 6 cows a day 100%

  9. Normally I'm not a compulsive tracker, but when my mom started calorie restricting (which she plans on doing for months til this trip her bf is taking her on), I tried to tell her that it wasn't healthy and it wouldn't last. As her daughter, she wouldn't listen to me. So, I decided to track everything I'm eating as a vegan, doing less workouts than she is planning and show her that I can do just as good as what she is doing, be healthy, and sustain it. This challenge has also helped me realize that before I became vegan (without even realizing it) I was calorie restricting cause I don't eat much. (I've only been vegan a month) So, not only is it helping show my mom a point, but its helping me as well. ^_^ The end!

  10. this was really cool to see, cause I had an impression that most are very consistence track their food and I'm not, it worms me out, I had to do it for a few weeks after I was diagnosed with celiac 3 years ago, to get an understanding of where do get enough, and I was choked that I only came up to around 1500 kcal a day, at that time gluten free products was also very limited, so that made it pretty hard at that time. I hit around the 3000 kcal a day, I should aim for 3200 since my metabolism is too high, but its hard, so my progress is slower, but its there, so it all good 馃檪

  11. Love this video and definitely will share this as this is what I always hear as well when it comes to lifting weights and gaining muscle! Torre is awesome and this video was very informative, thanks Bite Size Vegan! You rock!

  12. but its just 1 example though of a great vegan althete as well as he is 5 7 168 great genetics and fills out quicker because he is short. I dont think he is on any steriods he just happens to be a vegan and have a great work ethic nothing compared to the natural nonvegan athletes out there who have the same work ethic but a different diet. but I personal though have been vegatraian for 6 months with not much protein intake compared before and my lifts havent changed and my physique looks a lot better.

  13. a pro who doesn't track his macros even during show prep is simply dumb. not a good example to anyone who enjoys the performing art of bodybuilding. and why would vegans be concerned about protein? although vegans are crazy people that is the one thing they shouldn't worry about.

  14. Great interview. I've struggled with trying to go vegan for more than a couple of weeks. I think the biggest thing is to prepare beforehand because whats you get hungry and you don't already have a game plan it can be tough!!

    My question is – What do Vegans do about consumption of not enough B12?

  15. Even Torre admits he is at a disadvantage when compared to non-vegans in the area of muscle mass. Seems like a cool guy and is very good at what he's doing, but (and I don't know if he's even interested) he will never step into upper-level ifbb competition without meat and drugs. That's a fact.

  16. I like the part where he says every person is different.. Trying to make staple diets & sticking to them is a challenge whilst getting advice from different ppl is great for advice reasons, it really comes down to the persons commitment and their goals.. Personally I'm not ripped as much as I'd like to be but I've had enough advice on food prep and nutritious benefits of certain foods to know what is good and bad.. Not only that, but also it would be great to understand personally what works for me and what doesn't. So I'm happy I've watched this video

  17. I am a compulsive tracker, but I really feel inspired by Torre's approach. There's a little bit of fear that I won't achieve my goals unless I obsess over my macros, but I think I'd be happier just winging it. 馃檪

  18. I'm a compulsive tracker. I used to be obsessed with eating as little as possible. For weeks I would eat less than 600 calories but then fell to 1200. Now I still track every bite of food but I have learned to let myself eat so I'll get between 1200 to 1400 most days and some days I go as high as 1800. I know learning to eat more is important but d habits die hard. Luckily habits are the only things dying when I eat.

  19. A love it when I see vegans showing how building muscle is not only about protein shakes and supplements. Thanks so much for interviewing this great bodybuilder and spreading the word.
    I wanna be that vegan person who is interviewed because of his performance and physic one day.

  20. Torre Washington is da man! I'm not vegan (yet) but I just started a 12-week vegan journey. I want to see the difference in my physique. My body cannot process meat anymore honestly. Until my sister-in-law told me about him, I never knew there were vegan bodybuilders. Thanks for this!

  21. I really appreciate the idea of intuitive eating. Torre obviously has good instincts when it comes to his diet. Regrettably not everyone is that plugged in. On a personal note, some years ago I was pretty relentless in making sure I had enough protein. This came in part from designed and preparing menus for a daycare / nursery school of which I was part owner. While our menu was technically vegetarian – as per local ministry regulations which required the use of milk – 99% of the menu would qualify as vegan. My many conversations with the government nutritionist, and consulting numerous official nutritional references, got me into tracking for myself and my family. However as years passed I become more flexible and less anal about protein intake. Still later, I discovered some excellent new studies on how the human body processes and combines proteins. This new information largely dismissed the older food combining ideas as being unfounded in reality. After seeing these articles I became even less concerned about protein intake. In truth tacking protein intake, or any other vitamin or mineral turns eating into a big science experiment. It also greatly diminishes enjoyment of food. Those who know me know that I really do enjoy eating.

  22. wow ur videos are quality!!! once again a solid info, this guy is a proof that all in the fitness industry is a lie lol 馃槀馃槀

  23. The amount of protein needed to gain muscle has been greatly exaggerated by the bodybuilding industry. This is because the bodybuilding magazines and athletes are sponsored by the supplement industry. So the magazines run articles which are basically advertisements for the supplement industry. They pass it off as fact but it's really just propaganda to sell supplements. Plus the guys in those magazines are enormous and on drugs, so of course their protein requirements are going to be very high. But for a regular person, nowhere near that amount of protein is needed or even healthy. Can you get to 280 lbs on a vegan diet? Probably not because you would need to consume more plant based food than is practically possible. But most men don't want that sort of outlandish physique anyway. Most men would prefer to be built more like Torre. Plus, a healthy and balanced vegan diet can make you a lot leaner and the less fat you have, the more muscular you look. I used to work out hard and take lots of whey protein supplements and eat tons of meat. Sure I gained muscle but I also held a good deal of fat. Now that I am into vegan bodybuilding, I weigh about 50 lbs less than I did back then. A lot of that is fat, but some of it is muscle as well. Even though I have somewhat less muscle now, I look more muscular because my muscles are well defined due to less fat on top. Over the last couple of years, people constantly comment on how big I have gotten, yet they don't realize I have actually lost a significant amount of weight.

  24. I really appreciate an interviewer that asks the questions and then just sits there silently and let's the interviewee go on.This allows us to really get into that person's mind. It sometimes annoys me when the interviewer keeps saying "yeah…..uh-huh…..right", etc or keeps trying to finish the person's sentences or interject.

  25. What is his body fat percentage? It must vary. Can u give us the range that his body fat percentage fluctuates? How low does it get at competitions? Is his body fat percentages in the "safe" range? A large number of vegan YouTube bodybuilders take protein supplements. Can u interview them also so we can understand why they take these supplements? Are they just doing it for the endorsements? What other foods does he avoid besides processed sugar? Does he ever eat vegan junk food while he's prepping for competitions? It appears that he knows how to bulk & cut like other bodybuilders vegan or not. He just doesn't track it because he knows what he can eats to reach each stage. I wouldn't be surprised if initially he did track but now it's second nature. I don't track protein because all the plant-based food I eat to contain protein. I will add some raw pumkins seeds occasionally. Even Dr. Oz suggests this instead of protein powders馃槃 Does Tory ever use vitamin B12 supplements?

  26. The amount of food I eat is intuitive but I stick to mainly raw fruits and vegetables, a few cooked starches here and there adding fats seldom for flavour.

  27. This guy is on steroids so it really doesn't matter. See what steroids do is it holds the nitrogen in the muscle which keeps the bodybuilders at a positive nitrogen balance. This is how they get big. With steroid use, the body can hold onto those proteins from the vegan food long enough to optimize muscle growth. This has nothing to do with the vegan diet. Vegans must have some serious issues because I shit you not there are so many vegans that call out bodybuilding channels for using steroids while conveniently leaving out the vegan steroid users and the funniest part is that they then point to these steroid users that are vegan to prove their bias on protein. Vegan gains is known to point out every meat eating steroid user on youtube but he won't touch this one with a 1000 ft pole.

  28. Another flaw with this is that a bigger and stronger meat eater could easily state that this dude Torre Washington could have been bigger if he ate meat, dairy, and eggs. Listen, when it comes to optimizing muscle growth, protein is super important. Vegans can get enough protein to maximize muscle gains but they need to try鈥t is not as effortless as eating some meat. A vegan diet is perfect for the average human beings who aren't trying to build muscle. Yes vegans can build lots of muscle but I still think it's far easier with meat, however, too much meat will eventually lead to health issues later on.

  29. I really hope this guy is not on steroids because I would totally switch to this way of eating if I knew for sure it works. I tried a vegan diet for almost a month once and I honestly didn't feel my strongest at the gym. Maybe because it was such a drastic change in caloric intake.

  30. "Let's see how that's working for him… I think he's good" I watched dozens of nuggets and this was without a doubt the funniest line I've even heard from Emily.
    It was cool to hear that I'm not the only one that will have a veggie burger or other 'lunch/dinner' item for breakfast.

  31. I really like this guy!
    I'm more intuitive than complusive tracker. But I sometimes check if my intakes look good.

  32. donuts and cupcakes and black bean burgers and almond milk make me think I'm still trying to eat what they used animals for so I try not to eat what was used as an animal product in shape even if its vegan….and I gotta go throw away furniture footballs, gloves, and other clothes and shoes

  33. Astounding….Body..????聽聽聽 LOL he is little as hell….聽聽 Im still waiting on ONE VEGAN who is JACKED to get on camera. Its 2016 and I still have never seen a Jacked vegan…..Yes he is cut….yes he has decent size. But he isn't jacked like a meat eater… sorry

  34. This is not helpful. Vegan bodybuilding seems very confusing with regards to actual macro needs. Having someone on who just says I don't track and I eat what I want is not going to work for majority of people. In addition there was no actual proven information. Just this one guys opinion.

  35. i dont even know how to eat anymore… when i eat low calories in a day i feel weak and when i eat more calories i feel slugish all day long ive tried cronometer and i cant find a good balance for me … usually on a normal day i eat oatmeal with nuts and fruits then for lunch sweet potatoes and beans some greens and in the evening rice and beans with vegetables and my bowels are also very loose my digestive system was way better when i ate meat, dairy and eggs… i dont want ti quit veganism because of the animals 馃檨 but man i want my life back somehow

  36. I am becoming a hard core tracker, not to decide what to eat exactly, but to be able to answer questions in the future for myself and others regarding what works and doesn't. I feel you should trace your intuition, not determine your diet – same counting, different priority. I've recently been pushing towards an intermittent fasting vegan diet similar to Dr. Nun, and so counting my macros is my way of pondering what is going on while i use myself as an experiment. I think it is important as vegans to battle science with science, even if it is unneeded for the experienced vegan. One thing I have noticed from tracking is that macros and calories can sway wildly if not tracked at first until it becomes unconscious. If you want the world on your side, you have to jump through some hoops, it makes it easier to help other and defend your decision against external arguments. Every educated vegan that speaks out calmly and logically moves society forward.

  37. thank you so much that is how I feel about diet and training. I recently became vegan 6 weeks ago. I'll be getting back to the gym soon [ had a back injury last year couldn't work out] and am going to follow Torre's advice once I get back regularly into the gym.

  38. Right, he doesn't track his protein intake 馃馃hmm. I wonder if he ever dabbed with anabolic steroids. I wouldn't be surprised.

  39. When I track I eat around 3000cals with 130grams (we don't have veggie meats either or tofu in where I live.I eat whole legumes)of protein but I don't track %80 of the time and eat like 50gram of protein

  40. just eat a variety of whole foods as much as you can I eat when Im hungry . I will never waste my time tracking protein.
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  41. He's about as big as a female bodybuilder. Good? Uh no. Pathetic. Vegan diet has been totally destroyed. Humans are clearly designed to eat exclusively meat. Now you vegans can do all the gymnastics with the science that you want, but normal intelligent people see you for the psychotic cult that you are. You're completely unable to look at this issue OBJECTIVELY, possibly cuz of the brain shrinkage that vegan diet has been proven to cause. You eat like prey. I'd eat you & feel good about it if it were legal.

  42. You're such an inspiration, Torre!!! I love that you're so conscientious and still so zen 馃ウ馃馃挭

  43. Jack LaLanne died at 97 n was still competing (vegan from early teens). If he went to doc when he had the flu at his age hed STILL be pumping. Vince Gironda died at 79 . Think he was retired n had heart attack.

  44. I take the intuitive approach as well. I'm not in very healthy state right now but even at my best fitness levels and working out a ton I never measured my food or macros. Eating a variety healthy, less processed foods I get all the nutrition needed. I can feel when I haven't eaten enough real food and have over done the processed/junk foods.

  45. JUST LIKE OUR ANCESTORS BEFORE THEY HAVE NO STABLE FOOD SOURCES, ONLY NATURE FEEDS THEM AND THAT IS BEFORE WHEN PEOPLE IN THE SOCIETY LEARN TO CULTIVATE. TORRE IS VERY PRACTICAL AND SMART DUDE.

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